Fairness and Justice in the Fight for Equal Pay
Readers of the blog site certainly went to town over the suggestion from a cowardly anonymous source that low paid workers should 'feel the Council's pain' over equal pay - here's what they had to say yesterday:
The unions and GCC were and still are in bed with each other i would not trust the unions , as they told us we had no chance of getting a claim, a Mr Folley of the TG ,UNITE, gave us this advice, he then disappeared as though abducted by aliens.....never to be seen or heard of again. Convenient eh.
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This is the reply I got from MSP James Dornan
Hi Evelyn, I've been given concrete assurances that this is a technical measure that has to be done but that there is absolutely no intention to not stick to their commitment.
I'll get a response that I received from the council sent to you on Monday and this should reassure you.
Best wishes
James
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Hi Evelyn, I've been given concrete assurances that this is a technical measure that has to be done but that there is absolutely no intention to not stick to their commitment.
I'll get a response that I received from the council sent to you on Monday and this should reassure you.
Best wishes
James
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Well I emailed Susan aitken and she reply ad straight away too say she received my email and will reply soon
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The quote has GMB all over it . Why bother staying anonymous and use words like private lawyers ,pay day, realistic, jobs ,members and muscle. We know it's GMB so they should have the courage of your convictions and give us the opportunity to hold them to account in the public eye.
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I suspect the local trade unions can't spell the words fairness and justice never mind knowing what they mean. the lower paid woman workers have not only had to fight their employers for decent living wage but were actively discouraged from making equal pay claim by the trade unions. Interesting how its only now they're trying to make their voices heard but in my option too little too late!
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After years of being robbed and cheated over their rights to equal pay, low paid workers in Glasgow have every right to be angry, if you ask me.
After years of being robbed and cheated over their rights to equal pay, low paid workers in Glasgow have every right to be angry, if you ask me.
Because we now have the absurd sight of senior council officials denying knowledge of their own pay scheme - while the local trade unions are suddenly attacking the WPBR which they agreed to back in 2006/07.
What world we live in - it's like something straight out of Alice in Wonderland.
Fairness and Justice in the Fight for Equal Pay (16/09/17)
The Herald published a curious article yesterday following the announcement that Glasgow City Council had sought leave to appeal the Court of Session judgement that its WPBR pay arrangements are 'unfit for purpose'.
The part that jumped out to me was anonymous comment from a Glasgow council source who apparently told the journalist:
"The private sector lawyers don't give a hoot how this pans out, as long as they get their pay day. The unions want to settle here and settle what's realistic. And they know the difficulties. It's of no value to them to hold the council over a barrel if in the longer term it means their members have no jobs and they have no muscle. There's a pragmatic way out of this."
Now I don't know about anyone else, but A4ES certainly does care how this pans out because last time around (in 2005) thousands of low paid women workers in Glasgow City Council were cheated out of what they were entitled to in terms of equal pay and compensation for their financial loss.
I asked Stefan Cross QC for a comment on this drivel and here's what he had to say:
"The way out of this is for Glasgow City Council to do the right thing by its largely female workforce.
"Because back in 2005 the Council effectively bullied low paid women workers into accepting poor offers of settlement and then looked after the interests of the former bonus earning male jobs.
"The local unions agreed with senior council officials to 'cap' the financial compensation scheme at just £9,000 without consulting their members first, of course.
"The local unions also went along with council management in excluding thousands of council staff from the compensation scheme even though they had perfectly valid equal pay claims - including groups such as Clerical Workers, School Janitors and Special Needs Drivers."
"While it's good to see the unions are now taking the fight equal pay more seriously than in years gone by, no one should ever forget that the local trade unions in Glasgow actively supported the introduction of the WPBR in the first place.
"So this is not about 'realism' - it's about fairness and justice for the thousands of low paid women workers who have been cheated and robbed of their just desserts for years"
Now I don't have any time or respect for anonymous 'Glasgow council sources' who speak from the shadows and lack the courage and confidence to identify themselves.
I wonder if the cowardly person behind this comment is one of the senior council officials who has fought against equal pay for all these years?
Maybe the mystery source is one one of the local union 'leaders' who failed to stand up for the interests of ordinary union members back in 2005, 2006 and 2007?
In any event, it's no good blaming the Glasgow claimants for the current mess because all they are doing is standing up for their rights to equal pay which have existed under the law for almost 50 years - ever since the 1970 Equal Pay Act.
£500 million bill to settle female pay dispute may involve state loan
What world we live in - it's like something straight out of Alice in Wonderland.
Fairness and Justice in the Fight for Equal Pay (16/09/17)
The Herald published a curious article yesterday following the announcement that Glasgow City Council had sought leave to appeal the Court of Session judgement that its WPBR pay arrangements are 'unfit for purpose'.
The part that jumped out to me was anonymous comment from a Glasgow council source who apparently told the journalist:
"The private sector lawyers don't give a hoot how this pans out, as long as they get their pay day. The unions want to settle here and settle what's realistic. And they know the difficulties. It's of no value to them to hold the council over a barrel if in the longer term it means their members have no jobs and they have no muscle. There's a pragmatic way out of this."
Now I don't know about anyone else, but A4ES certainly does care how this pans out because last time around (in 2005) thousands of low paid women workers in Glasgow City Council were cheated out of what they were entitled to in terms of equal pay and compensation for their financial loss.
I asked Stefan Cross QC for a comment on this drivel and here's what he had to say:
"The way out of this is for Glasgow City Council to do the right thing by its largely female workforce.
"Because back in 2005 the Council effectively bullied low paid women workers into accepting poor offers of settlement and then looked after the interests of the former bonus earning male jobs.
"The local unions agreed with senior council officials to 'cap' the financial compensation scheme at just £9,000 without consulting their members first, of course.
"The local unions also went along with council management in excluding thousands of council staff from the compensation scheme even though they had perfectly valid equal pay claims - including groups such as Clerical Workers, School Janitors and Special Needs Drivers."
"While it's good to see the unions are now taking the fight equal pay more seriously than in years gone by, no one should ever forget that the local trade unions in Glasgow actively supported the introduction of the WPBR in the first place.
"So this is not about 'realism' - it's about fairness and justice for the thousands of low paid women workers who have been cheated and robbed of their just desserts for years"
Now I don't have any time or respect for anonymous 'Glasgow council sources' who speak from the shadows and lack the courage and confidence to identify themselves.
I wonder if the cowardly person behind this comment is one of the senior council officials who has fought against equal pay for all these years?
Maybe the mystery source is one one of the local union 'leaders' who failed to stand up for the interests of ordinary union members back in 2005, 2006 and 2007?
In any event, it's no good blaming the Glasgow claimants for the current mess because all they are doing is standing up for their rights to equal pay which have existed under the law for almost 50 years - ever since the 1970 Equal Pay Act.
£500 million bill to settle female pay dispute may involve state loan
By Alan Simpson - The Herald
Equal Pay Protest by GMB and Unison members outside Glasgow City Chambers..Mark F Gibson / Gibson Digital .infogibsondigital@gmail.co.uk.www.gibsondigital.co.uk..All images © Gibson Digital 2016. Free first use only for editorial in connection with the
GLASGOW faces tough choices to resolve a £500 million equal pay dispute with female council staff, its new leader has claimed, which include whether to seek a major loan from the Scottish Government.
City Council leader Susan Aitken has held meetings with Finance Secretary Derek Mackay to discuss "financial assistance" which would be deployed to help settle a 12-year wrangle with at least 6,000 female workers who are entitled to payouts over wage discrimination.
For years, women employed as carers, cleaners, catering staff, classroom assistants and clerical staff were paid £3-an-hour less than men in low-paid roles operating within the local authority.
In 2005, the authority accepted there were flaws in their pay arrangements with settlements offered to staff who had raised equal pay claims.
But March last year, a major case at the Employment Appeal Tribunal found that 6,000 women were now entitled to make additional claims.
Speaking last night, Cllr Susan Aitken said council officers have begun talks to agree "terms of reference" with unions and others involved in the long-running dispute.
She said: "The issue of denying whole sections of our staff, mostly low-paid female workers, the wages they are rightly due has been hanging over Glasgow for far too long. Its complex and dense issue but it is finally coming to the end of the road."
There would be no more unjustified delays or "barriers put in the way of reaching a settlement".
However outside City Chambers workers protested against the council's decision to seek leave to appeal the court ruling that paved the way for the pay out which could exceed even the mooted £500 million figure.
But Cllr Aitken said: "Any remaining legal proceedings will only be for the purposes of providing clarity. They will not be used to delay or put barriers in the way of reaching a settlement. Crucially, leave to appeal does not mean appeal."
She admitted any settlement will have major implications for the council.
"We can’t put a figure on how much this will cost as none of that work has ever been done and hope to have that in the coming months as negotiations progress," she said.
And she added: "We will doing everything we can to protect frontline services and will work to keep this separate from the day to day running of the council.
"We have also begun discussions with other parties, including the Scottish Government, for a potential route out of this."
Last week, it a report suggested that a decade-long failure of leadership by central and local government across Scotland had left taxpayers with a bill of more than £1billion for equal pay claims from female council staff.
The Accounts Commission said around £750m had been spent settling pay claims since 2004, in a damning study of politicians stalling and ducking responsibilities.
The research into how councils implemented an agreement brought in in 1999 to harmonise pay for employees and address historic inequalities, the commission found all but one of the 32 local authorities missed the 2004 deadline.
It took 11 years – twice as long as planned – for all councils to implement the agreement, which was finally completed in 2010.
The commission found progress was slowed by funding problems as councils received no extra money for the new pay scheme and some approaches taken to save costs and avoid industrial action, such as protecting pay and bonuses for some roles, were found to be discriminatory.
Unions gave a cautious welcome to her moves to finally settle but warned the pay-outs should not financed by slashing thousands of jobs.
Peter Welsh of union GMB Scotland said: "This must be new money that Glasgow City council finds, it cannot be funded by robbing Peter to pay Paul. Services have been cut to the bone already.
"These women have waited long enough for what is due to them and they must not be rewarded with a pay rise and their P45's.
"We will fight any moves to cut jobs to pay for this and the city's vital services must not be cut either. It's up to Glasgow City Council to find the money and workers and the city's residents must not be the ones to pay the price for their incompetence."
A Glasgow Council source said: "The private sector lawyers don't give a hoot how this pans out, as long as they get their pay day. The unions want to settle here and settle what's realistic. And they know the difficulties. It's of no value to them to hold the council over a barrel if in the longer term it means their members have no jobs and they have no muscle. There's a pragmatic way out of this."
A Scottish Government spokesman said: “We welcome recent progress on equal pay and while Ministers have no legal powers to intervene in claims, we expect each local authority to take urgent action.”
Equal Pay Protest by GMB and Unison members outside Glasgow City Chambers..Mark F Gibson / Gibson Digital .infogibsondigital@gmail.co.uk.www.gibsondigital.co.uk..All images © Gibson Digital 2016. Free first use only for editorial in connection with the
GLASGOW faces tough choices to resolve a £500 million equal pay dispute with female council staff, its new leader has claimed, which include whether to seek a major loan from the Scottish Government.
City Council leader Susan Aitken has held meetings with Finance Secretary Derek Mackay to discuss "financial assistance" which would be deployed to help settle a 12-year wrangle with at least 6,000 female workers who are entitled to payouts over wage discrimination.
For years, women employed as carers, cleaners, catering staff, classroom assistants and clerical staff were paid £3-an-hour less than men in low-paid roles operating within the local authority.
In 2005, the authority accepted there were flaws in their pay arrangements with settlements offered to staff who had raised equal pay claims.
But March last year, a major case at the Employment Appeal Tribunal found that 6,000 women were now entitled to make additional claims.
Speaking last night, Cllr Susan Aitken said council officers have begun talks to agree "terms of reference" with unions and others involved in the long-running dispute.
She said: "The issue of denying whole sections of our staff, mostly low-paid female workers, the wages they are rightly due has been hanging over Glasgow for far too long. Its complex and dense issue but it is finally coming to the end of the road."
There would be no more unjustified delays or "barriers put in the way of reaching a settlement".
However outside City Chambers workers protested against the council's decision to seek leave to appeal the court ruling that paved the way for the pay out which could exceed even the mooted £500 million figure.
But Cllr Aitken said: "Any remaining legal proceedings will only be for the purposes of providing clarity. They will not be used to delay or put barriers in the way of reaching a settlement. Crucially, leave to appeal does not mean appeal."
She admitted any settlement will have major implications for the council.
"We can’t put a figure on how much this will cost as none of that work has ever been done and hope to have that in the coming months as negotiations progress," she said.
And she added: "We will doing everything we can to protect frontline services and will work to keep this separate from the day to day running of the council.
"We have also begun discussions with other parties, including the Scottish Government, for a potential route out of this."
Last week, it a report suggested that a decade-long failure of leadership by central and local government across Scotland had left taxpayers with a bill of more than £1billion for equal pay claims from female council staff.
The Accounts Commission said around £750m had been spent settling pay claims since 2004, in a damning study of politicians stalling and ducking responsibilities.
The research into how councils implemented an agreement brought in in 1999 to harmonise pay for employees and address historic inequalities, the commission found all but one of the 32 local authorities missed the 2004 deadline.
It took 11 years – twice as long as planned – for all councils to implement the agreement, which was finally completed in 2010.
The commission found progress was slowed by funding problems as councils received no extra money for the new pay scheme and some approaches taken to save costs and avoid industrial action, such as protecting pay and bonuses for some roles, were found to be discriminatory.
Unions gave a cautious welcome to her moves to finally settle but warned the pay-outs should not financed by slashing thousands of jobs.
Peter Welsh of union GMB Scotland said: "This must be new money that Glasgow City council finds, it cannot be funded by robbing Peter to pay Paul. Services have been cut to the bone already.
"These women have waited long enough for what is due to them and they must not be rewarded with a pay rise and their P45's.
"We will fight any moves to cut jobs to pay for this and the city's vital services must not be cut either. It's up to Glasgow City Council to find the money and workers and the city's residents must not be the ones to pay the price for their incompetence."
A Glasgow Council source said: "The private sector lawyers don't give a hoot how this pans out, as long as they get their pay day. The unions want to settle here and settle what's realistic. And they know the difficulties. It's of no value to them to hold the council over a barrel if in the longer term it means their members have no jobs and they have no muscle. There's a pragmatic way out of this."
A Scottish Government spokesman said: “We welcome recent progress on equal pay and while Ministers have no legal powers to intervene in claims, we expect each local authority to take urgent action.”
